F is also for Floozy

[the_siobhan]

You know, every time the_axel plays the Evil Dead soundtrack, I find myself wondering why it is that whenever there is a slut character in a play/book/movie, she is always portrayed as dumb.

Why can't it ever be a smart woman who just happens to have a somewhat greedy taste for the pleasures carnal? Why is the default assumption that those two personality traits must always be diametrically opposed?

Is it just because the writers who pump this shit out have never met any?


Siobhan "I was a turbo trollop and still managed to graduate" NiLoughlin

Comments

[boxofdelights]

Stockard Channing's character in Grease?

[the-siobhan.livejournal.com]

Oh! I don't think I'm familiar with that one.

[boxofdelights]

She's sexy, she has sex because she wants to, and she's not stupid! Or evil.

[the-siobhan.livejournal.com]

Is she in the movie version? (Olivia Newton John, wasn't it?

[panic-girl.livejournal.com]

You're not familiar with Grease? WHAT THE?!

[the-siobhan.livejournal.com]

Oh, I've heard of it. I've just never sat down and watched it.

[panic-girl.livejournal.com]

Yep, I assumed that's what you meant.
And so I reiterate:
WHAT THE?!

[the-siobhan.livejournal.com]

Um. Is that unusual?

[panic-girl.livejournal.com]

Myup. It was pretty much ubiquitous when I was a kid. Course you have a year or two on me, so maybe it's a cohort thing.

[inulro.livejournal.com]

It was pretty much ubiquitous when I was a kid, too, but I still managed to avoid seeing it.

(I think I come somewhere between you and Sio in age).

[the-siobhan.livejournal.com]

One or two, yeah. :-)

I think the cultural equivalent for me is probably Saturday Night Fever. (Which I also managed not to see.)

bibfh

[betonica.livejournal.com]

I'd love to hear about more smart slut characters; can't think of any offhand, myself.

I've frequently been annoyed that blondes are always (fsvo always) portrayed as dumb, and back around 1997 created the Blonde Ice Bitch From Hell. She was supposed to be one of those very smart, very self-centered nasty blondes that were in those 40's movies and hard-boiled detective novels. She had a lot of fun blowing away the Terminally Stupid with her e-derringer, elsenet, but otherwise was rather two-dimensional. I was so sure she was a strong archetype, but when I went looking for her in movies from then, I couldn't find her. Hm. Puzzling.

I puzzled bunches of other people, too, because I'm not, in fact, blonde. But anyway.

Good luck on the search for brilliant sluts. Would success result, perhaps, in a movie-fest?

Re: bibfh

[(Anonymous)]

I always identified strongly with her. Plus, she's gorgeous!

Jenn

Re: bibfh

[the-siobhan.livejournal.com]

Since I've gotten a few good suggestions, I think a movie night is definitely in order.

Re: bibfh

[(Anonymous)]

I concur!
Jenn

Re: bibfh

[betonica.livejournal.com]

If there's going to be a movie night, please post the movie list and night ahead of time. That way if the drive to Canada is not feasible, I can have a "matching" night here. And others, elsewhere.

(And am I missing something? I know a Jenn, but I didn't think in this context..... Is it that old-age-memory thing?)

Re: bibfh

[(Anonymous)]

I may have met you before at a party at Sio's place, maybe at one of Axel's pig roasts, if you've ever been? I don't remember. I'm Siobhans daughter Jenn. She and I met a few years ago.

Jenn

Re: bibfh

[betonica.livejournal.com]

Ah. I know Siobhan through a mutual ex of ours, Anmar. I haven't actually met Siobhan, ftf, amazingly enough. Seems hard to believe.

Glad to meet you, Jenn.

Re: bibfh

[(Anonymous)]

You too!

Jenn

[(Anonymous)]

I like that term: Trollop. I like "Slattern" better.

On the one hand, being treated like the dirt at the bottom of someone's shoe does suck. However, when they underestimate you, they will be too consumed by their sense of superiority to see the slut behind them about to get 'em in the ass.


Jenn

[marchenland.livejournal.com]

The chick in the Kushiel books is very smart (unrealistically so, imo) and very slutty, ahem, I mean is a libertine.

[50-ft-queenie.livejournal.com]

I adore those books! Yes, Phedre is uncannily smart, sexy and seriously kinky.

[metalana.livejournal.com]

well, how about writing your own stories with slutty smart heroines?

[eciklb.livejournal.com]

IME, IRL women are often more successfully slutty when they act dumb (the opposite approach works in certain social circles but not in most). Perhaps people are just unreflective enough to assume that slutty women *are* dumb?

[the-siobhan.livejournal.com]

Really? For true?

I used to just flat-out ask people if they wanted to have sex, and I had a pretty damn high success rate with it.

(And if you time it just right, you get to see them pass beer through their nose.)

[eciklb.livejournal.com]

You might be aware that in many social circles, being straightforward about sex Just Isn't Done. This is silly, of course, and leads to all kinds of bizarre behaviors ("I'm ***so*** drunk!" followed by a giggle is, I believe, considered by comedians to be the mating call of the blond college girl, and I wouldn't believe it except that I've seen it happen several times, and it's not just blonds). This is not to suggest that going up to people and asking wouldn't work in said context, just that most women would never consider it to be a viable option. It's sad, really, since beer in the sinuses is awfully entertaining.

[dali-muse.livejournal.com]

OK, now I have to tell my blond joke.

What's the mating call of the blonds?
"Take me home, I'm drunk!"

What's the mating call of the brunettes?
"The blonds are gone! The blonds are gone!"

What's the mating call of the redheads?
"Next!"

[kalmn.livejournal.com]

drew barrymore's character in charlie's angels. i liked her.

[the-siobhan.livejournal.com]

Really?

I may have to check this movie out after all.

[aquaeri.livejournal.com]

I blame the patriarchy.

[a-carnal-mink.livejournal.com]

Mae West. :)

[the-siobhan.livejournal.com]

Oh yeah! A classic.

[a-carnal-mink.livejournal.com]

Also, I was thinking of adding this earlier but was rushed... as much as I utterly loathe the movie in question - Sharon Stone's character in Basic Instinct also comes to mind.

Not that I'm putting her in the same league as La West, of course. :)

[northbard.livejournal.com]

yah...I had a hard time ignoring that from the play. i mean, the misogyny was ther ein the movie, so it makes sense to bring it into the play but...the whole "stupid bitch" thing made me physically twist during the play.

[raindrops.livejournal.com]

Interesting point. We have the man-eating shark-toothed-vagina razor sharp but not in it for the pleasure - just the power trip - type... which does indeed say a lot more about the writers than the reality. (ie, there are smart sluts portrayed, but always with ulterior and usually quite sinister motives).

[panic-girl.livejournal.com]

Siobhan "I was a turbo trollop and still managed to graduate" NiLoughlin

TESTIFY!

[sweetfuckall.livejournal.com]

Gwyneth Paltrow's character in The Royal Tenenbaums was a Smart Slut :D

[the-siobhan.livejournal.com]

I had completely forgotten about that movie! I loved that flick!

[dali-muse.livejournal.com]

Annette Benning in "The Grifters".