Got a better source, attribute it. Post in the clear too. Don't hide behind anonymity.
Further more, lets get something straight. The partition plan was disagreed to by the arab states that were created with the exact same post colonial fiat, and they attacked the new Jewish state. The Palestinian neighbors threw in with Israel's self declared Arab enemies and the Arabs LOST. Their hope was that NO jews would have a state. The Armistice line was pretty much around the planned Jewish STate with a few exceptions.
Then in 1967 Several of those same Arab States that got their clocks cleaned attacked again. Again, through the Golan, West Bank and Gaza/Sinai. Again they got their clocks cleaned. In fact at this point, the West bank still belonged to Jordan. BUT after the battles were over Israel was holding a lot of territory that enemy troops had assembled and attacked through.
Then in 1973, The Arabs attack AGAIN (getting beaten 3 times wasn't enough?) and they loose AGAIN!
Seems to me, Arabs are quite willing to start wars, but are unhappy when they don't go their way and have to try again. Only Harder, with more feeling this time!! And yet they still loose.
The thing is, Israel will return territory that they take in war. The Sinai and Parts of Jordan Show this. They'll do so if the nation acts in honest and good faith negotiations. IF they do not, then Israel will not play ball. That's why Syria and Lebanon are still a problem. Jordan had their own problem with Palestinians in 1970 who tried to overthrow their government. Jordan ejected them after that. But that's never talked about is it? So far, since Jordan stopped letting people attack across their border into Israel and they've stopped attacking Israel, they've had no problem with Israel. Amazing that. Egypt has had similar luck.
If you're not prepared to loose your own territory, don't launch a war trying to take someone else's territory. Especially when you've been beaten by them already. After 4 Wars, 3 of them with the Arabs Against the Israelis all by their lonesome, most of the Arab States seem to have learned that if you fuck with Israel they will clean their clocks. Lebanon seems to have lost the lesson that Jordan had. I'm not sure, how, it was right next door. Letting the PLO set up shop in the first place was their biggest mistake and that's why they're in the current predicament. Until they can get Hezbollah under control, they're going to have these problems.
Every time the Lebanese government lets Hezbollah commit acts of war, they're putting their own country in Jepardy. In the case of Hezbollah, they've Blown up a UN Peace Keeping Barracks, Attacked across their border against a neighboring state numerous times, Attacked the embassies of three foreign countries, and committed lesser acts that are not considered acts of war. Believe me, letting someone blow or burn an Embassy in your country is a bad idea. Its a very bad idea. Used to be, countries would go to war because of that. Considering what Lebanon has let happen, they've been pretty damn lucky. If you punish such acts quickly, you avoid the problems entirely.
And you see that's the simple solution. Don't attack Israel, don't let another group form a state within your own country and start running things for you and then attack Israel, you might as well have attacked them yourselves, because, ultimately, your government is responsible for what goes on inside your country when events that are internal spill over and affect other countries. If someone holds you accountable, fix the problem, don't whine about it. And don't side with the group that caused the problem in the first place.
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Date: 2006-08-05 04:52 am (UTC)Further more, lets get something straight. The partition plan was disagreed to by the arab states that were created with the exact same post colonial fiat, and they attacked the new Jewish state. The Palestinian neighbors threw in with Israel's self declared Arab enemies and the Arabs LOST. Their hope was that NO jews would have a state. The Armistice line was pretty much around the planned Jewish STate with a few exceptions.
Then in 1967 Several of those same Arab States that got their clocks cleaned attacked again. Again, through the Golan, West Bank and Gaza/Sinai. Again they got their clocks cleaned. In fact at this point, the West bank still belonged to Jordan. BUT after the battles were over Israel was holding a lot of territory that enemy troops had assembled and attacked through.
Then in 1973, The Arabs attack AGAIN (getting beaten 3 times wasn't enough?) and they loose AGAIN!
Seems to me, Arabs are quite willing to start wars, but are unhappy when they don't go their way and have to try again. Only Harder, with more feeling this time!! And yet they still loose.
The thing is, Israel will return territory that they take in war. The Sinai and Parts of Jordan Show this. They'll do so if the nation acts in honest and good faith negotiations. IF they do not, then Israel will not play ball. That's why Syria and Lebanon are still a problem. Jordan had their own problem with Palestinians in 1970 who tried to overthrow their government. Jordan ejected them after that. But that's never talked about is it? So far, since Jordan stopped letting people attack across their border into Israel and they've stopped attacking Israel, they've had no problem with Israel. Amazing that. Egypt has had similar luck.
If you're not prepared to loose your own territory, don't launch a war trying to take someone else's territory. Especially when you've been beaten by them already. After 4 Wars, 3 of them with the Arabs Against the Israelis all by their lonesome, most of the Arab States seem to have learned that if you fuck with Israel they will clean their clocks. Lebanon seems to have lost the lesson that Jordan had. I'm not sure, how, it was right next door. Letting the PLO set up shop in the first place was their biggest mistake and that's why they're in the current predicament. Until they can get Hezbollah under control, they're going to have these problems.
Every time the Lebanese government lets Hezbollah commit acts of war, they're putting their own country in Jepardy. In the case of Hezbollah, they've Blown up a UN Peace Keeping Barracks, Attacked across their border against a neighboring state numerous times, Attacked the embassies of three foreign countries, and committed lesser acts that are not considered acts of war. Believe me, letting someone blow or burn an Embassy in your country is a bad idea. Its a very bad idea. Used to be, countries would go to war because of that. Considering what Lebanon has let happen, they've been pretty damn lucky. If you punish such acts quickly, you avoid the problems entirely.
And you see that's the simple solution. Don't attack Israel, don't let another group form a state within your own country and start running things for you and then attack Israel, you might as well have attacked them yourselves, because, ultimately, your government is responsible for what goes on inside your country when events that are internal spill over and affect other countries. If someone holds you accountable, fix the problem, don't whine about it. And don't side with the group that caused the problem in the first place.