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So according to this pdf on godhatesfags.com, Reverend Phelps thinks he is going to demonstrate "American Freedom of Speech" by coming to Canada and burning the Canadian flag on the lawn of parliment to protest gay marriage.

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I swear I couldn't make this shit up.

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ferretboi.livejournal.com

I guess, I've heard many people say things like "all french are rude," "all germans are dispasionate," and "all canadians are beer drinking toque wearing hosers." And these statments are coming from my TV and the movies I watch which I can tell you are predominantly made south of me and north of Mexico.

Every country has it's stereotype. Unfortunatly the stereotypical American is a very loud one and so many who don't fit in to that get drowned out of the discussion. When we face them daily in the media at the hands of others, to have a stereotype turned around on them is to be expected.

Like I said I have no problems with people disagreeing with me, I'm all about open discussion but I just like it to actually reflect what I said. Which in essence is this, that man is a bad man. Those who follow that man are bad people. And it's a shame that soo many people see this guy and his ilk as the norm and it's a further shame that this person gets away with so much under the nose of people who wouldn't stand for it. It's a final shame and kinda sad that so many people aren't able to see this and the impact it makes.

Yes the way I worded it was kinda trite and for that I appologise. But all in all very scary situation. I just wonder how people would have reacted if I went down to Washington and burnt a flag in protest of the Iraqi war? Would I have been banned from the country? Probably. Arrested? Most likely. If I was a celebrity or musician would I have been black listed? Almost certainly (ie. Dixie Chicks I mean COUNTRY for christ's sakes!)

Any how enough rambling on that. It was something that was taken out of context and was replied to vehemently points lost in translation. :-)

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individuation.livejournal.com

Unfortunatly the stereotypical American is a very loud one and so many who don't fit in to that get drowned out of the discussion. When we face them daily in the media at the hands of others, to have a stereotype turned around on them is to be expected.

Let me rephrase what you just wrote: Stereotypes are bad, but beacause I see them all the time... I'm going to buy into them. What do you mean "turned around on them"? Do you even know what you're talking about?

that man is a bad man. Those who follow that man are bad people. And it's a shame that soo many people see this guy and his ilk as the norm

No..you see this man and his followers as the norm. Most Americans think he's a moron. Do a little research before you go spouting off. Hell

sparklydevil wrote an article about his coming to Detroit and how the community protested him back... and how the only people who were with him were his FAMILY.

Yes the way I worded it was kinda trite and for that I appologise.

Trite? No.. it was downright rude. You ripped on my knowledge of grammar, my intelligence, the fact that I'm a teacher...etc.

I just wonder how people would have reacted if I went down to Washington and burnt a flag in protest of the Iraqi war?

Texas v. Johnson. It's a Supreme Court case... do a little reading and find out how they'd react.

Most likely nothing would happen to you... or if it did, it would be by warhawk idiots.

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ferretboi.livejournal.com

Let me rephrase what you just wrote: Stereotypes are bad, but beacause I see them all the time... I'm going to buy into them. What do you mean "turned around on them"? Do you even know what you're talking about?

Yes I do know. What I said is expect the people who are these stereotypes to have them turned around on them. To be held up to see like a mirror. This was not directed at the people reading or even the general public but the religious zealots who condemn others for their beliefs or personal choices. The insane nationalists who try and charge foreign leaders with treason. The nescesity to quantify every single statement is frankly sad. Again it comes down to subtlety. Obviously, if involved in a discussion about this person being a moron I'm reffering to this person and his followers not the general public. Further if I'm putting something in quotes I'm obviously not reffering to all Americans I'm reffering to the lot who would call them selves "god fearing americans." For the most part that's a very small number.

No..you see this man and his followers as the norm. Most Americans think he's a moron. Do a little research before you go spouting off. Hell sparklydevil wrote an article about his coming to Detroit and how the community protested him back... and how the only people who were with him were his FAMILY.

Agreed, he is a loopy fiend and a lot of people see him as that but a lot of people don't. And I didn't say that this man was the norm. I said that many people see him as such and it was a shame that so many did. Repeat I didn't say MOST I quantified it by saying SO MANY difference being so is used within the dictionary deffinition "To a great extent; to such an evident degree." Meaning many people see him evidently as the norm. How many followers does this man have? I'm sure he has a fair number. And what I said is it is a shame that there are so many of them. Or are you saying that homophobia is not a problem in the US?

Texas v. Johnson. It's a Supreme Court case... do a little reading and find out how they'd react.

Most likely nothing would happen to you... or if it did, it would be by warhawk idiots.

Okay, so Seattle didn't happen? How about the banning of various musicians from radio play for expressing discontent and distrust of their leader? Like I said in my posts, most likely nothing would happen or if it did it'd be people who had little to do (if anything) with the government. That being said, if I went down there I may well end up in jail for public distrubance. If involved in a large scale protest there's a chance I may get beaten and thrown in jail. I may get banned from the country, if placed in jail for even a minor offence I'd be banned entry. For example, I could be arrested for causing a public disturbance. I could further be arrested for various public saftey laws. I never said I'd be arrested for burning the flag. There's a variety of responses that may happen. I didn't comment on law because as I stated I couldn't remember the outcome. If it was nesicary to the statment I'd have looked it up. I commented on the apperant reaction of current regime towards protest and dissent and further the reaction of extreemist elements within the general public.