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I wrote a big long screed about how cool it is to watch the parents on my f-list talk about the daily trials and tribulations of raising their kids and how much I love reading about it. And how bitterly insanely jealous I am of people who actually get to watch their kids grow up. But it was making me cry so hard I finally said fuck that, and deleted the whole thing.

So tell you what, parents give your kids an extra kiss from me when you put them to bed tonight and we'll leave it at that.

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I've been reading all these FIND A JOB IN 24 HOURS GET THE JOB OF YOUR DREAMS WRITE A RESUME THAT MAKES MANAGERS WET THEIR PANTS EXCLAMATION POINT EXCLAMATION POINT EXCLAMATION POINT books in the last couple of weeks, and I've finally figured out what my problem is. In order to get a job, you have to be good at sales. A resume is basically a formalized sales pitch.

Sales is pretty much the ONLY thing I can't do.

So there's me fucked.

It also explains a lot about the blatant level of incompetance I encounter at every level in every company I've ever dealt with for, well, anything. They don't hire people who can do the damn job. They keep hiring fucking salesmen.

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I think I am in a dysfunctional relationship with the world.

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Date: 2006-01-23 10:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bar-bar-ella.livejournal.com

Oh, a-fucking-men on the resume/job/sales thang.

And btw, m'dear, I completely and utterly missed wishing you all the best for your birthday, didn't I? You've been in my thoughts heaps over the past few weeks, and of course, my brain suddenly slapped me t'other day with the realisation of just why. D'oh! :) Mea culpa, mea culpa and all that. Hope you had a good'un, gorgeous. *pint*

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Date: 2006-01-23 10:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-siobhan.livejournal.com
I have a strict policy of not doing the birthday greetings thing on LJ, because I am just so crap at dates that I know I would forget half of them.

So as a direct result of this everybody I know forgets my birthday. :-)

It was very low-key this year. I had a quiet stay at home with Axel and it was exactly what I felt like doing.

Re: Oops.

Date: 2006-01-23 03:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cris.livejournal.com
heh .. I resemble that remark. (the policy against doing birthday greetings because I'm always worried that I'll miss one)

though, wrt to resumes, if you want another vector for feedback, let me know. I've been in the midst of interviewing candidates to replace my old position; so my mental resume reviewing muscles are all warmed up.

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Date: 2006-01-23 10:05 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Yep. I see the whole resume thing from the other side, seeing as I'm part of the hiring process at our company. I see people rating resumes as good not because they actually feel that the person comes across as good, but because they meet the tick list that they've seen in management magazine X. Of course, all the "GET JOBS FAST" sites do is read those magazines and then tell people to do what they say.

We then end up with the situation where the engineer in the interview (ie me) picks candidate A because he or she seems technically competent and he or she seems like a person we could work with and the manager picks person B because he or she managed to trot out some rehearsed dialogue about being a team player, despite the fact that the person is plainly an imbecile and a quite objectionable fuckwit.

Of course, guess which one gets employed. Yes! I've even written on my interview notes "UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES EMPLOY THIS PERSON" and then found out later, without any consultation with me, that he's been employed. Then we had a hell of job getting rid of him because he was the worst engineer in the history of the universe, and a prize pillock to boot.

Grrr...

Oops.

Date: 2006-01-23 10:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sinibar.livejournal.com
That was me. Thought I was logged in.

Re: Oops.

Date: 2006-01-23 10:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-siobhan.livejournal.com
I always do reasonably well in interviews, because in person I can easily convince the person that I'm bright, get along with people and can learn whatever skill I don't have walking in. It's getting to the interview part that stumps me.

Back when I worked in a bar I remember passing on a particularly horrible resume in complete confidence that the person was so obviously a bad bet that they'd never be hired - only to discover that I had grieviously underestimated the power of stupid people in high enough positions of authority. In that situation it worked out ok for me though, she was so bad I made was able to steal all her customers and get all her tips right up until she got fired.

Re: Oops.

Date: 2006-01-23 10:47 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I have a similar problem. I have quite a few very specific skills which don't generally match job criteria too well. I'm OK as long as my resume gets to someone technical and then that person is listened to.

The thing about software engineering is that once you've learned 3 or 4 different versions of the same skill (like programming languages, for instance) then you pick up numbers 5, 6, 7 etc. really easily because 7 is just like 4 but with a bit of 3 thrown in, if you see what I mean.

I guess it's the same in a lot of trades. Once I get an interview the whole thing becomes a lot easier.

I have no idea how many copies of my resume I have sent out. Lots. I reckon I get an offer from 1 outof 3 interviews that I attend though.

Re: Oops.

Date: 2006-01-23 10:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sinibar.livejournal.com
Doh! Did it again. This time I thought I'd hit the stop button fast enough to cancel the post. Clearly not.

Re: Oops.

Date: 2006-01-23 10:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-siobhan.livejournal.com
laughs Well you get two replies in your inbox because I'm just anal enough to want to keep things tidy that way.

Re: Oops.

Date: 2006-01-23 10:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sinibar.livejournal.com
I have a similar problem. I have quite a few very specific skills which don't generally match job criteria too well. I'm OK as long as my resume gets to someone technical and then that person is listened to.

The thing about software engineering is that once you've learned 3 or 4 different versions of the same skill (like programming languages, for instance) then you pick up numbers 5, 6, 7 etc. really easily because 7 is just like 4 but with a bit of 3 thrown in, if you see what I mean.

I guess it's the same in a lot of trades. Once I get an interview the whole thing becomes a lot easier.

I have no idea how many copies of my resume I have sent out. Lots. I reckon I get an offer from 1 outof 3 interviews that I attend though.

Re: Oops.

Date: 2006-01-23 10:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-siobhan.livejournal.com
That's pretty much my ratio.

1 job offer per 3 interviews. And 1 "over qualified". However, I send out 500+ resumes per interview. I'm not kidding.

My goal this time 'round is to reduce that number. I just have to figure out how to go about it.

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Date: 2006-01-23 10:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] girfan.livejournal.com
Though I have worked in shops, I don't think of myself as a sales person and so this is probably why I am still unemployed. I have a hard time "bigging myself up" and it shows.
:(

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Date: 2006-01-23 10:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-siobhan.livejournal.com
Yeah, that's the position I'm in. I'd rather get on with doing things rather than waste time bragging about how good I am at it.

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Date: 2006-01-23 10:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] siani-hedgehog.livejournal.com
They don't hire people who can do the damn job. They keep hiring fucking salesmen.

get a good salesman to write your resume for/with you. sit down, and talk about each job you've had, and let them write it all up. i'm reasonably good at selling myself, but get stressed out and stutter and fall over (literally) at interviews. :/

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Date: 2006-01-23 10:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-siobhan.livejournal.com
I actually thought of that. It's definitely part of plan A.

It's not like I don't know people who are brilliant promoters. I just have some work to do first.

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Date: 2006-01-23 11:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] medusa.livejournal.com
I know what you mean about the children thing. I have two that don't live with me and it tears me up that I have no part in their upbringing. I have Felix and he is marvellous but in an ideal world I would have all three of my boys with me now. I used to be so jealous though of people who had their children with them. :/

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Date: 2006-01-26 06:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-siobhan.livejournal.com
Thing is, I'm not really a "baby" person. I never really wanted kids, and I don't regret not having any more. I like interacting with my daughter as an adult.

But there's just something about not knowing what it was like to watch her grow up...

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Date: 2006-01-26 11:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] medusa.livejournal.com
Yes, I can understand that. I am kind of dreading that in a way as I imagine things will get easier when my sons are adults and 'finished products' but I will always regret not being there when they were growing up.

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Date: 2006-01-23 12:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 50-ft-queenie.livejournal.com
I hear you on the resume thing. I *hate* selling myself to people. It makes me itch and squirm.

However, I'm not bad at selling other people. I just reviewed Erika's resume for her, and I'd be happy to look at your too, if you like.

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Date: 2006-01-23 01:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lil-m-moses.livejournal.com
I suck ass at sales. I can't do it as a general rule. However, I can act. I'm much better at it on stage than in a more intimate environment, but I've learned how to do it in an interview - my character is just Outgoing Amy (which I often pull out for Convergences, too). I just try to make my resume/cover letters twice as salesy as I'm comfortable with, and it works out to be just enough. I occasionally have a hard time getting through HR to the interview, but if I can get a manager to see my resume, I can get to the interview, where the acting skillz win out and I get an offer 3 out of 4 times or so.

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Date: 2006-01-23 01:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] razorjak.livejournal.com
A resume is basically a formalized sales pitch.

Sales is pretty much the ONLY thing I can't do.

So there's me fucked.


That's a category we're both fucked in.

They don't hire people who can do the damn job. They keep hiring fucking salesmen.

There's another thing we agree on. Management, even that swiftly dying breed of management that came up through the trenches, generally listens more to the one who gives a pretty show instead of someone who comes in and tells them the truth and how things work.

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Date: 2006-01-23 02:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davidshadow555.livejournal.com
Long time no see! I can relate to this:

I think I am in a dysfunctional relationship with the world.

Eventually the world will get over it and we'll be just fine. LOL

Luv,
Dave

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Date: 2006-01-23 05:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-siobhan.livejournal.com
Dude! How have you been? I was thinking about you just recently.

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Date: 2006-01-23 08:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davidshadow555.livejournal.com
I've been thinking about you too.

missing ya! Dropping you an email with contact information!

*hugs*
D

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Date: 2006-01-23 02:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shillolo.livejournal.com
So tell you what, parents give your kids an extra kiss from me when you put them to bed tonight and we'll leave it at that.

You'll probably be there when I do tonight :), I'd be happy to share them.

-

With regards to finding work, I have two experiences landing gigs I liked.
Currently - sheer desperation and luck.
Previously - an agency who 'sold' me, up to the interview, then I was on my own.

-

Dysfunctional is an odd word.

PS this is the agency I used.

Date: 2006-01-23 07:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shillolo.livejournal.com
http://www.peakassociates.com/peakmainpage.html

Re: PS this is the agency I used.

Date: 2006-01-26 06:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-siobhan.livejournal.com
Thanks! I'll check them out.

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Date: 2006-01-23 03:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bellafiga.livejournal.com
Anytime you want a baby squish session. You just lemme know..

*hugs*

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-23 08:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blaadyblah.livejournal.com
I just delivered a 'snuggle and kiss from Canada' to [livejournal.com profile] littlemissmadam. She's poorly-sick and up for all the cuddles she can get right now.

She gave me a 'Big Grinny Grin From England' to send back as she isn't "near enough to give her a cuddle and she might get my germs!"

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-26 06:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-siobhan.livejournal.com
That is the Cutest Thing Ever.

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Date: 2006-01-24 02:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elixxir.livejournal.com
Daaaawww...consider it done, a few times over.

PS. This week is fine so far. Weekend is good too. What works for you?

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-26 06:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-siobhan.livejournal.com
Mine kind of exploded all over me. :-p

I'm free on the weekend once I've gotten some sleep into me. (I'm on midnight shift.) Is the afternoon good for you?

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Date: 2006-01-24 10:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sheepthief.livejournal.com
I just can't sell myself. Well, I can sell myself down the river perhaps.

Funny, I've long known both of these facts - salesmanship and icompetance, and yet I've never thought to put the two together.

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