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butch lesbian, trans woman, trans woman, cis woman, non-binary


The good: I have a furnace! It works! My house is warm!

The bad: There are now some holes in drywall of Basement DJ's living room. I think we have the materials we need to patch them up, so that's going to be today's house project.

The ugly: I literally did not realize until it was too late that the workmen weren't wearing masks. It's like I have the protocol firmly entrenched in my head that masks for leaving the house so I was sitting there looking at this guy thinking, "What is wrong with this picture. What is it? Something is wrong? What is it?" for five minutes before I clicked. Ugh.

***

My writing update from yesterday is that I finished re-reading and making notes on the first section of the novel. (The novel is split into three sections - sections one and two deal with different groups of people and in section three they all come together.) There are a lot of notes. I forgot how much I hand-waved in the race to get to the final word count. It's a bit... daunting if I'm being honest.

One thing that that became very evident to me in the re-read is just how flat the characters are - I have a clear idea of who they are and how they got there in my head, but on paper they just aren't very well defined. So I have decided that's what I'm going to work on first. My plan is to write some new scenes that focus just on a single character at a time so I can get a better "picture" of them. I may or may not incorporate these new scenes into the final version, but I figure the exercise will help me refine how they would speak and act and make them more individual when I re-write their sections of the book.

So today's question is about characters. If you working with an original character, how do you create an individual from scratch? How much work do you put into their backstory? If you are writing about an existing character, what do you focus on to capture what makes them unique? How do you stay true to your characters?

Day 19 Tally:
[personal profile] china_shop, [personal profile] ysilme, [personal profile] shopfront, [personal profile] luzula, [personal profile] badly_knitted, [personal profile] sylvanwitch, [personal profile] alexseanchai, [personal profile] brainwane, [personal profile] silveradept, [personal profile] cornerofmadness, [personal profile] nafs, [personal profile] sakana17, [personal profile] yasaman, [personal profile] lferion, [personal profile] sanguinity, [personal profile] alexseanchai, [profile] phrenk, [personal profile] shadaras, [personal profile] auroracloud, [personal profile] iberiandoctor

Day 18:
[personal profile] china_shop, [personal profile] alexseanchai, [personal profile] badly_knitted, [personal profile] luzula, [personal profile] sylvanwitch, [personal profile] shadaras, [personal profile] brainwane, [personal profile] marvelouscity, [personal profile] nafs, [personal profile] lferion, [personal profile] cornerofmadness, [personal profile] yasaman, [personal profile] sakana17, [personal profile] sanguinity, [profile] phrenk, [personal profile] firecat, [personal profile] ysilme, [personal profile] silveradept, [personal profile] auroracloud, [personal profile] iberiandoctor

Day 17:
[personal profile] china_shop, [personal profile] badly_knitted, [personal profile] luzula, [personal profile] sylvanwitch, [personal profile] shadaras, [personal profile] alexseanchai, [personal profile] sanguinity, [personal profile] brainwane, [personal profile] nafs, [personal profile] cornerofmadness, [personal profile] sakana17, [personal profile] yasaman, [personal profile] lferion, [personal profile] marvelouscity, [personal profile] silveradept, [profile] phrenk, [personal profile] iberiandoctor, [personal profile] firecat, [personal profile] ysilme, [personal profile] auroracloud

Day 16:
[personal profile] china_shop, [personal profile] badly_knitted, [personal profile] luzula, [personal profile] sylvanwitch, [personal profile] sanguinity, [personal profile] yasaman, [personal profile] brainwane, [personal profile] firecat, [personal profile] nafs, [personal profile] cornerofmadness, [personal profile] lferion, [personal profile] sakana17, [profile] phrenk, [personal profile] silveradept, [personal profile] iberiandoctor, [personal profile] shadaras, [personal profile] ysilme, [personal profile] auroracloud

Day 15:
[personal profile] china_shop, [personal profile] alexseanchai, [personal profile] sylvanwitch, [personal profile] badly_knitted, [personal profile] trobadora, [personal profile] luzula, [personal profile] yasaman, [personal profile] sanguinity, [personal profile] shadaras, [personal profile] brainwane, [personal profile] nafs, [personal profile] sakana17, [personal profile] cornerofmadness, [profile] phrenk, [personal profile] lferion, [personal profile] silveradept, [personal profile] firecat, [personal profile] iberiandoctor, [personal profile] ysilme, [personal profile] auroracloud

Day 14:
[personal profile] china_shop, [personal profile] ysilme, [personal profile] sylvanwitch, [personal profile] trobadora, [personal profile] badly_knitted, [personal profile] luzula, [personal profile] alexseanchai, [personal profile] shadaras, [personal profile] sanguinity, [personal profile] nafs, [personal profile] brainwane, [personal profile] cornerofmadness, [personal profile] yasaman, [personal profile] lferion, [personal profile] sakana17, [profile] phrenk, [personal profile] shopfront,[personal profile] silveradept, [personal profile] firecat, [personal profile] ysilme, [personal profile] auroracloud

Day 13:
[personal profile] china_shop, [personal profile] shopfront, [personal profile] badly_knitted, [personal profile] luzula, [personal profile] shadaras, [personal profile] alexseanchai, [personal profile] sylvanwitch, [personal profile] nafs, [personal profile] cornerofmadness, [personal profile] lferion, [personal profile] yasaman, [profile] phrenk, [personal profile] sakana17, [personal profile] silveradept, [personal profile] ysilme, [personal profile] iberiandoctor, [personal profile] trobadora, [personal profile] sanguinity, [personal profile] auroracloud

Day 12:
[personal profile] china_shop, [personal profile] sylvanwitch, [personal profile] shadaras, [personal profile] brainwane, [personal profile] silveradept, [personal profile] alexseanchai, [personal profile] thevetia, [personal profile] yasaman, [personal profile] zulu, [personal profile] sakana17, [personal profile] sanguinity, [personal profile] cornerofmadness, [personal profile] lferion, [profile] phrenk, [personal profile] badly_knitted, [personal profile] saki101, [personal profile] ysilme, [personal profile] iberiandoctor, [personal profile] trobadora, [personal profile] luzula, [personal profile] auroracloud

Day 11:
[personal profile] china_shop, [personal profile] firecat, [personal profile] badly_knitted, [personal profile] luzula, [personal profile] sylvanwitch, [personal profile] shadaras, [personal profile] thevetia, [personal profile] sakana17, [personal profile] brainwane, [personal profile] sanguinity, [personal profile] yasaman, [personal profile] cornerofmadness, [personal profile] china_shop, [personal profile] nafs, [personal profile] lferion, [personal profile] saki101, [personal profile] alexseanchai, [profile] phrenk, [personal profile] firecat, [personal profile] shopfront, [personal profile] silveradept, [personal profile] zulu, [personal profile] trobadora, [personal profile] ysilme, [personal profile] iberiandoctor, [personal profile] auroracloud

Day 10:
[personal profile] china_shop, [personal profile] badly_knitted, [personal profile] luzula, [personal profile] sylvanwitch, [personal profile] alexseanchai, [personal profile] shadaras, [personal profile] sanguinity, [personal profile] brainwane, [personal profile] nafs, [personal profile] firecat, [personal profile] yasaman, [personal profile] cornerofmadness, [personal profile] sakana17, [personal profile] saki101, [personal profile] lferion, [profile] phrenk, [personal profile] auroracloud, [personal profile] iberiandoctor, [personal profile] silveradept, [personal profile] thevetia, [personal profile] trobadora, [personal profile] ysilme

Day 9:
[personal profile] china_shop, [personal profile] shadaras, [personal profile] sylvanwitch, [personal profile] alexseanchai, [personal profile] sanguinity, [personal profile] saki101, [personal profile] nafs, [personal profile] yasaman, [personal profile] cornerofmadness, [personal profile] lferion, [personal profile] sakana17, [profile] phrenk, [personal profile] badly_knitted, [personal profile] ysilme, [personal profile] silveradept, [personal profile] solo, [personal profile] carenejeans, [personal profile] auroracloud, [personal profile] iberiandoctor, [personal profile] luzula, [personal profile] brainwane, [personal profile] trobadora

Day 8:
[personal profile] china_shop, [personal profile] sylvanwitch, [personal profile] badly_knitted, [personal profile] luzula, [personal profile] saki101, [personal profile] silveradept, [personal profile] sanguinity, [personal profile] shadaras, [personal profile] thevetia, [personal profile] brainwane, [personal profile] nafs, [personal profile] cornerofmadness, [personal profile] lferion, [personal profile] sakana17, [personal profile] yasaman, [profile] phrenk, [personal profile] alexseanchai, [personal profile] firecat, [personal profile] auroracloud, [personal profile] ysilme, [personal profile] solo, [personal profile] carenejeans, [personal profile] iberiandoctor, [personal profile] trobadora

Day 7:
[personal profile] china_shop, [personal profile] shopfront, [personal profile] falkner, [personal profile] badly_knitted, [personal profile] luzula, [personal profile] trobadora, [personal profile] sylvanwitch, [personal profile] shadaras, [personal profile] nafs, [personal profile] brainwane, [personal profile] sanguinity, [personal profile] lferion, [personal profile] yasaman, [personal profile] sakana17, [profile] phrenk, [personal profile] carenejeans, [personal profile] cornerofmadness, [personal profile] firecat, [personal profile] saki101, [personal profile] silveradept, [personal profile] auroracloud, [personal profile] ysilme, [personal profile] iberiandoctor

Day 6:
[personal profile] china_shop, [personal profile] ysilme>, [personal profile] trobadora, [personal profile] luzula, [personal profile] badly_knitted, [personal profile] sylvanwitch, [personal profile] saki101, [personal profile] sanguinity, [personal profile] shadaras, [personal profile] brainwane, [personal profile] nafs, [personal profile] alexseanchai, [personal profile] cornerofmadness, [personal profile] yasaman, [personal profile] lferion, [personal profile] sakana17, [profile] phrenk, [personal profile] shopfront, [personal profile] silveradept, [personal profile] iberiandoctor, [personal profile] firecat, [personal profile] solo, [personal profile] carenejeans, [personal profile] auroracloud

Day 5:
[personal profile] china_shop, [personal profile] badly_knitted, [personal profile] luzula, [personal profile] shadaras, [personal profile] sylvanwitch, [personal profile] nafs, [personal profile] sakana17, [personal profile] sanguinity, [personal profile] cornerofmadness, [personal profile] lferion, [personal profile] brainwane, [personal profile] saki101, [profile] phrenk, [personal profile] firecat, [personal profile] ysilme, [personal profile] shopfront, [personal profile] yasaman, [personal profile] carenejeans, [personal profile] houseof9cats, [personal profile] thevetia, [profile] robadora, [personal profile] silveradept, [personal profile] auroracloud, [personal profile] trobadora

Day 4:
[personal profile] china_shop, [personal profile] shopfront, [profile] luzulaalexseanchai, [personal profile] shadaras, [personal profile] badly_knitted, [personal profile] sylvanwitch, [personal profile] ysilme, [personal profile] sanguinity, [personal profile] saki101, [personal profile] silveradept, [personal profile] nafs, [personal profile] yasaman, [personal profile] thevetia, [personal profile] sakana17, [personal profile] cornerofmadness, [personal profile] lferion, [profile] phrenk, [personal profile] solo, [personal profile] iberiandoctor, [personal profile] firecat, [personal profile] brainwane, [personal profile] carenejeans, [personal profile] yasaman, [personal profile] auroracloud, [personal profile] trobadora

Day 3:
[personal profile] china_shop, [personal profile] alexseanchai, [personal profile] alexcat, [personal profile] sylvanwitch, [personal profile] sakana17, [personal profile] thevetia, [personal profile] nafs, [personal profile] lferion, [personal profile] cornerofmadness, [profile] phrenk, [personal profile] solo, [personal profile] badly_knitted, [personal profile] luzula, [personal profile] shadaras, [personal profile] yasaman, [personal profile] brainwane, [personal profile] trobadora, [personal profile] ysilme, [personal profile] sanguinity, [personal profile] silveradept, [personal profile] iberiandoctor, [personal profile] firecat, [personal profile] carenejeans, [personal profile] auroracloud

Day 2:
[personal profile] china_shop, [personal profile] shadaras, [personal profile] falkner, [personal profile] luzula, [personal profile] badly_knitted, [personal profile] alexseanchai, [personal profile] trobadora, [personal profile] saki101, [personal profile] sylvanwitch, [personal profile] brainwane, [personal profile] thevetia, [personal profile] lferion, [personal profile] cornerofmadness, [personal profile] nafs, [personal profile] sakana17, [personal profile] yasaman, [personal profile] solo, [profile] phrenk, [personal profile] auroracloud, [personal profile] ysilme, [personal profile] sanguinity, [personal profile] silveradept, [personal profile] alexcat, [personal profile] iberiandoctor, [personal profile] firecat, [personal profile] carenejeans

Day 1:
[personal profile] china_shop, [personal profile] sylvanwitch, [personal profile] luzula, [personal profile] badly_knitted, [personal profile] trobadora, [personal profile] falkner, [personal profile] alexseanchai, [personal profile] silveradept, [personal profile] shadaras, [personal profile] sanguinity, [personal profile] thevetia, [personal profile] nafs, [personal profile] cornerofmadness, [personal profile] lferion, [personal profile] sakana17, [personal profile] alexcat, [personal profile] marvelouscity, [personal profile] saki101, [personal profile] yasaman, [personal profile] solo, [personal profile] auroracloud, [profile] phrenk, [personal profile] shopfront, [personal profile] brainwane, [personal profile] dreamwriteremmy, [personal profile] ysilme, , [personal profile] iberiandoctor, [personal profile] firecat, [personal profile] carenejeans

Let me know if I missed your name at any point. And participation is always open, so jump in with a comment any time.

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Date: 2020-11-19 07:53 pm (UTC)
houseof9cats: (Default)
From: [personal profile] houseof9cats

Love that you're still doing this! Yeah, our renovation priority list did a total turnaround with COVID. Floors, carpet, windows can wait. Basic appliances and exterior/yard are looking great, though. Enjoy a Mai Tai next to your new furnace!

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Date: 2020-11-19 08:19 pm (UTC)
ysilme: Wordle with writing terms "ranting denial typing pain story decision tea". (Wordle: write every day)
From: [personal profile] ysilme
Yay for the new furnace and a warm house! I totally feel you; we had ten days of no furnace last March when a replacment part wasn't delivered because of Covid... thankfully we have a Swedish stove so were able to heat up the main living areas, but the bedroom and bathrooms were freezing, and not having warm water wasn't fun either.

I hear you on the characters, too! As most of my characters are OCs - even if I use canon characters too little is known about them usually to work with, or I want my own take on a very well-known fanon interpretation - I face that problem regularly. I'm actually writing scenes or snippets with/for them very often just to develop or discover their backstory, get a feeling for them, get them well fleshed-out. Most of this doesn't make it into the story, or just in a remark or so, but it's important background work (and a good way to produce word count when I'm having difficulties writing as it doesn't matter if the writing of these scenes is good ;op ). I think about where they come from, what they like to do, food they enjoy, hobbies, pets, such things. When I'm totally stuck about a character, I either tell all about them to a writing buddy, or I write fictional letters from the POV of other characters in the story, talking about them.
I know some people make mood boards for their characters, and have them handy when writing the characters. I haven't done this before, but am thinking about it as something new to try and see what happens.

Also checking in for a couple of days, 14th to today (19th) to be exact. NaNo word count reached on most days, but just 1k on the 17th, and only about 100 alibi words today - I need a break after a few busy and migraine-y days. I'm also missing on the 10th and have a double entry on the 4th, 5th and 6th, ;o)

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Date: 2020-11-19 09:29 pm (UTC)
shopfront: (Snoopy - writewritewrite)
From: [personal profile] shopfront
Yay for a warm house!

After a run of bad days, I have finally written again today with 5.4k of my nano. I am so behind, oh god, but determined to catch up. As far as characters, the amount of planning I do varies a lot but the backbone of what does work for me is focusing on fleshing out their emotional relationship with my POV character first and foremost. Even if nothing else gels in the first draft and I have to return and basically (re-)write everything else in later, I find it's that emotional tie to my POV that makes them feel 'real' to me.

If my POV character is also original, it tends to take a lot longer for me to really feel like I've got them nailed down. Once I've got a few orbiting characters around them though, then the POV character's end of each of those connections sort of layers up into a more realistic whole of a person. It's the little details, like observed body language or unexpected behaviours that are most important to me over backstory. As long as I know why I have them in there at all and what their ultimate role/goal is, I'm good otherwise.

I still haven't found a character planning approach that really works for me though, to be honest. I get stuck on the inventing stuff and backstory side of things frequently, especially to start off with. But that's how I make them feel like unique individuals I can distinguish from each other while I wrestle with the other stuff.

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Date: 2020-11-19 09:47 pm (UTC)
luzula: a Luzula pilosa, or hairy wood-rush (Default)
From: [personal profile] luzula
It feels like the characters just talk/think on their own in my head, and if they don't do that, I can't write them! Heh, I guess I'm not a very analytical writer...

Wordcount for 19th of November: 700
Total wordcount on poly fic: 41,400

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Date: 2020-11-19 10:37 pm (UTC)
badly_knitted: (JB Weird)
From: [personal profile] badly_knitted
For existing characters I try to capture their speech patterns and mannerisms. Most of my original characters only have small roles in short stories but I try to sketch them out with a bit of description of what they look like and I aim to make them different from the regular characters, perhaps in the way they speak, or even that they're so quiet and introspective that they get overlooked. Whether I succeed is another matter. It's easier with alien characters because they're going to have fairly obvious differences to humans. I struggle with making original human characters stand out.

Nov 19th - 922 words, a 500 word ficlet, four Doctor Who drabbles, and a tiny bit of editing on a fic for posting.

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Date: 2020-11-20 11:22 am (UTC)
badly_knitted: (JB Weird)
From: [personal profile] badly_knitted
Creating a character out of words is hard.

Thanks!

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Date: 2020-11-20 02:14 am (UTC)
sylvanwitch: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sylvanwitch
Your character questions are intriguing, but I am a bear of very little remaining brain tonight, which explains that I only managed 298 words. Still, that's not nothing, as I sometimes say.

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Date: 2020-11-20 02:37 am (UTC)
alexseanchai: Katsuki Yuuri wearing a blue jacket and his glasses and holding a poodle, in front of the asexual pride flag with a rainbow heart inset. (Default)
From: [personal profile] alexseanchai
because what I really needed was another plot idea

anyway [community profile] fandomtrees is filling the fannish ecological niche that last year was [community profile] in_a_peartree and previous years was [community profile] fandom_stocking, if anyone is interested in that

also I'm starting to cross-post from AO3 to Dreamwidth, it having finally occurred to me that this is a thing I could do that would let my fic at an audience that can't access AO3, without my having to post the fic directly to Tumblr

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Date: 2020-11-20 03:32 am (UTC)
brainwane: My smiling face, including a small gold bindi (Default)
From: [personal profile] brainwane
Checkin for Nov 19th: 432 words, mostly written from scratch and partially reusing some criteria I've devised and published over the last few years.

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Date: 2020-11-20 03:51 am (UTC)
china_shop: Close-up of Zhao Yunlan grinning (Default)
From: [personal profile] china_shop
20th: 694 words on my Yuletide treat. I don't like many of them, but maybe they'll look better tomorrow.

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Date: 2020-11-20 03:59 am (UTC)
silveradept: A kodama with a trombone. The trombone is playing music, even though it is held in a rest position (Default)
From: [personal profile] silveradept
I tend to play "Planet of Hats" with my characters, whether they're original or fic, because there's a nonzero chance that my characters are going to drift from their strict canonical interpretation, either because I need them to fit within a prompt's contours, or because canon made decisions that are politely regarded as questionable and therefore alternate explanations or behaviors need to be generated so I can be satisfied that the characters are acting with motivations and ideals that make sense for them. So I often figure out what their defining traits are and try to keep that in my head as I write their actions and speech and try to remember to keep them consistent. It works okay so far? And I have readers to help with that when the words get long or need the additional eyes to check.

Day 19 has resulted in a significant chunk added to the Grief and outstanding assignment work, which is nice to have.

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Date: 2020-11-20 03:18 pm (UTC)
silveradept: A kodama with a trombone. The trombone is playing music, even though it is held in a rest position (Default)
From: [personal profile] silveradept
I've only written one spite fic that was close to when its canon premiered, but I do regularly write spite fic for particular canons that have good settings but flawed executions or censorship restrictions on them that prevent them from fully and clearly exploring all the possibilities and probabilities of the world and its characters.

Many of the good spite fics I've written and read also come from a place of having been very well researched for the purpose of driving the knife in deeper.

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Date: 2020-11-20 04:43 am (UTC)
cornerofmadness: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cornerofmadness
glad you got a furnace

I made 1400 words today and was told tomorrow's the last face to face class so I'll be milling around here again

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Date: 2020-11-21 05:48 am (UTC)
cornerofmadness: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cornerofmadness
thanks

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Date: 2020-11-20 05:03 am (UTC)
nafs: red dragon on lavendar background - welsh or celtic style (Default)
From: [personal profile] nafs
Day 19: a page longhand.

I'm sorry that your workmen decided it was okay to come inside without a mask :(

I don't know that I have a conscious process when developing characters. I think I started off needing types, and then as they started talking (it's always dialogue with me) they'd come up with throwaway lines that suggested background. Sometimes names suggest cultural backgrounds, and sometimes the power dynamic going on in a scene needed a reason and backstory came from there too. They're not all fully developed yet either, but then the story's not finished. And like you described, there's a lot more going on with these characters in my head than is on the page so I expect each draft will involve different ways of making sure what readers get is closer to what's actually in my head.

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Date: 2020-11-20 05:53 am (UTC)
sakana17: zhao yunlan asleep on sofa (guardian-zhaoyunlan-asleep)
From: [personal profile] sakana17
Day 19: 843 words.

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Date: 2020-11-20 06:12 am (UTC)
yasaman: picture of jasmine flower, with text yasaman (Default)
From: [personal profile] yasaman
Day 19: 434 words for me tonight!

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Date: 2020-11-20 06:25 am (UTC)
lferion: Art of pink gillyflower on green background (Default)
From: [personal profile] lferion
Day 19 - 155 words. 120+ on the balloon story, and the rest on a short post. I did get the drabble from the other day posted to Fan Flashworks today. Very glad I remembered today rather than tomorrow evening.

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Date: 2020-11-20 06:31 am (UTC)
sanguinity: woodcut by M.C. Escher, "Snakes" (Default)
From: [personal profile] sanguinity
Today: Continued making notes for the next story.

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Date: 2020-11-20 08:01 am (UTC)
alexseanchai: Katsuki Yuuri wearing a blue jacket and his glasses and holding a poodle, in front of the asexual pride flag with a rainbow heart inset. (Default)
From: [personal profile] alexseanchai
I drabbled!

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Date: 2020-11-20 09:17 am (UTC)
satoyan: (Default)
From: [personal profile] satoyan
Day 19: 2,854 nano words. Finally got to the switch in POV.

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Date: 2020-11-20 02:28 pm (UTC)
shadaras: A phoenix with wings fully outspread, holidng a rose and an arrow in its talons. (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadaras
Belatedly, on the 19th I did a couple hundred words of writing. :)

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